Raw Milk

Maintenance Phase

Aubrey Gordon & Michael Hobbes

History, Science, Health, Health & Fitness, Wellness, Education

4.8 • 16.3K Ratings

🗓️ 13 November 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Once widely banned, raw milk consumption is on the rise and states are repealing their bans. No one’s happier about that than the far right. How did we get here? NOTE: In the retelling of Pasteur’s early pasteurization, Aubrey misspoke! The culprit wasn’t lactic yeast, it was lactic acid bacteria. Sorry for the slip up! Support us: Hear bonus episodes on PatreonWatch Aubrey's documentaryBuy Aubrey's bookListen to Mike's other podcastGet Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and moreLinks! Milk...

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0:00.0	I'm so curious how you're going to make a real episode out of this.
0:14.8	I know.
0:15.3	We were talking yesterday and you were like, I don't know how this is an episode.
0:39.0	And I was like, it's not just an episode. There's so much of it that I'm having a really hard time editing it down. I was at The Louvre with some people today. And I was like, I have to leave early because I'm recording a podcast. They're like, what's it about? And I said, raw milk. And there's like this long sign. so they sort of cocked their heads like a golden retriever.
0:39.9	They're like,
1:11.5	you gotta leave. they're like, what's it about? And I said, raw milk. And there's like this long sign so they sort of cocked their heads, like a golden retriever. They're like, raw milk. You got to leave for that. You're recording for like three hours on raw milk. I'm here instead of the Louvre tonight, Aubrey. You better make it. He's a cultured masculine man. All right. You're probably going to fact check this one. Oh, great. Welcome to Mainz Phase, the podcast that must be heated to 145 degrees for 30 minutes. It's shorter than that now, but yeah. I'm Michael Hobbs. I'm Aubrey Gordon. If you would like to support the show, you can do that at patreon.com slash maintenance phase or you can subscribe through Apple Podcast.
1:14.3	It's the same audio content.
1:15.2	Michael.
1:16.5	Aubrey.
1:18.5	I'm so am.
1:19.5	Just get into it.
1:21.5	Just start whatever you need to tell me.
1:22.5	Go.
1:24.4	So today we're talking about raw milk. I was going to ask you if you've tracked the raw milk debate at all. And you were like, I don't think there's an episode there. So I think that
1:33.2	might be my answer to how much you've tracked it. Because I mean, we talked about this with the
1:36.8	honey, the like blue zones honey shit that like because pasteurization, like I think people think
1:42.9	it's like a science word, but all it means is
1:45.6	like taking something up to a temperature and then like cooling it down to kill the bacteria.
1:50.3	It's not, it's not like a big scary like quote unquote processing thing, like the ultra-processed foods,
1:55.5	whatever.
1:56.3	It's like the most basic shit.
1:58.2	Pasteurization is only heating a liquid to well below boiling temperatures in order to
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