I think morality is good for civil coexistence,

but morality alone will not save this society,

unless we develop an accountability to our creator,

not merely for moral reasoning,

but for the recognition that life at its core is sacred.

Hello and welcome.

This is the Ben Shapiro Show's Sunday special.

Our special guest today is Ravi Zacharias.

He's author of over 25 books.

His newest book is The Logic of God.

He's a cultural apologist on behalf of Judeo-Christian values.

Ravi, thanks so much for joining the show. You may be the guest most requested by our audience. So I'm very excited to have you here. Thanks for making the time. Must have been my family. We're writing in. Well, I want to jump right in because there's a lot I want to cover with you. And why don't we start with this? You're obviously one of the most prolific debaters when it comes to religion and the presence of God in the universe.

And you've debated a bunch of folks on the secular atheist side.

Who's the toughest debate you've ever had in terms of? Well, you know, in the earlier days, I remember doing a couple of debates, courtesy of Emory University and so on and overseas.

I debated some Islamic scholars in the city of Hyderabad and Hindu scholars as well.

I moved away from the debating format, Ben, years ago, because I really felt it was nowhere

near as effective as an open forum is where you give the privilege of the audience

to ask you the questions and give them the opportunity to challenge what it is you're saying.

Otherwise you're pitting one intellect against another and whoever has read one more book

can do better on the whole thing provided they've got the eloquence on their side. So I think the toughest debaters to deal with are those of contrary religious worldviews,

where the animus becomes very intense and where the audience can be more provocative.

I've done dialogues of that nature. No really difficult question, Ben,

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