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Rationally Speaking Podcast

Rationally Speaking #75 - When Scientists Kill

Rationally Speaking Podcast

New York City Skeptics

Society & Culture, Skepticism, Science, Philosophy

4.6787 Ratings

🗓️ 2 December 2012

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

We look to scientists to keep us informed about risks, such as: is this medicine effective? Is that level of toxicity harmless? How severe should we expect this upcoming storm to be? But when lives are at stake, tricky questions arise about how much responsibility falls on scientists' shoulders to get those estimations *right* -- and whether scientists should be punished if they fail. In this episode of Rationally Speaking, Massimo and Julia discuss a recent court case that shocked the world: A group of Italian scientists were sentenced to 6 years in prison for failing to effectively warn the public of an earthquake that killed over 300 people in 2009. Was this decision fair? And how should we decide where the boundaries of scientific accountability lie?

Transcript

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0:00.0

Rationally speaking is a presentation of New York City skeptics dedicated to promoting critical thinking, skeptical inquiry, and science education.

0:22.6

For more information, please visit us at NYCCEceptics.org.

0:35.3

Welcome to Rationally Speaking, the podcast where we explore the borderlands between reason and nonsense.

0:40.6

I'm your host, Massimo Pilducci.

0:42.6

And with me, as always, is my co-host, Julia Galev.

0:45.5

Julia, what are we going to talk about today?

0:47.8

Massimo, today we're going to kick off our discussion by talking about a rather shocking legal decision in Italy a few weeks ago.

0:56.4

I think I heard the place.

0:57.8

Yeah. Ring a bell as well?

1:00.1

So, you know, feel free to jump in and correct my pronunciation here, as I'm sure you do.

1:05.6

So in 2009, there was a pretty severe earthquake in a city in Italy called Laquilla.

1:14.4

Several hundred people, there were several hundred casualties.

1:17.7

And just recently, six Italian scientists and a former government official were sentenced to six years in prison each for failing to appropriately warn the public

1:30.5

about the severity of the coming earthquake.

1:33.2

So this decision, this legal decision has sent shockwaves through much of the world,

1:39.7

but especially the scientific community because of the implications that failure to predict, you know, very uncertain natural disasters can hold, can be held against a scientist legally.

1:52.7

Right.

1:53.2

And so it sparked a lot of debate about to what extent it's reasonable to expect scientists to be able to predict uncertain things like earthquakes

2:03.0

and what the legal ramifications should be.

2:06.4

So we're going to talk about this case, but then expand the discussion into a broader discussion

2:11.0

of what scientist's responsibility is or should be to the public when it comes to risky uncertain scenarios.

2:19.1

Right.

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