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Thank you. Welcome to Rationally Speaking, the podcast where we explore the borderlands between reason and nonsense.

I'm your host, Julia Galef, and I'm here with today's guest, Robert Wright.

Robert is an author of several bestselling books, including The Moral Animal, which I read years ago

and found very influential, also Non-Zero and The Evolution of God, which was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize.

We're going to talk today about

Robert's most recent book, Why Buddhism is True, the Science and Philosophy of Meditation and

Enlightenment. Bob, welcome to the show. Well, thanks for having me. It's great to have you on.

The theme of a lot of my podcasts and a lot of my life, honestly, is trying to grapple

with, you know, what is rationality and is it good and is it feasible? And all of your

over-road together is like this important piece of that puzzle. So I'm so glad we could

finally have you on the show. I'm not going to ask you whether it's an example of rationality or the other side of the line.

Hopefully that will emerge at some point to the next 40 minutes.

We'll keep people on the edges of this.

So, Bob, the title of your book, Why Buddhism is True,

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