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The Lawfare Podcast

Rational Security: The “Tyler’s Revenge” Edition

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4.76.2K Ratings

🗓️ 30 October 2025

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Public Service Fellow Ari Tabatabai and Managing Editor Tyler McBrien to talk through the week’s big news in national security, including:

  • “Great APEC-tations.” President Trump is headed to Asia this week, both for a meeting of the regional Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) organization and a one-on-one sit down with Chinese president Xi Jinping. It’s a moment destined to spotlight one of the more quixotic areas of the second Trump administration’s foreign policy, only complicated further by his (and China’s) increasingly aggressive trade maneuvers, particularly around rare earth minerals. What should we expect this week? And what does it tell us about the Trump administration’s Asia policy?
  • “Pirates of the Caribbean.” The U.S. military build-up in the Caribbean has continued apace, even as the Trump administration has expanded its controversial military campaign against narcotics traffickers into the eastern Pacific. Even as both sets of actions have put pressure on the Maduro regime, they’ve also created rifts within Trump’s coalition—where a few legislators have begun to join Democrats in demanding more answers from the Trump administration—and the executive branch, where tensions appear to have contributed to the early retirement of the military commander in charge of the operation. What constraints are there on how far the president can go in this space? And how far will he push them?
  • “Too Calm After the Storm.” Hurricane Melissa, one of the strongest on record, made landfall in Jamaica yesterday, and is now hovering over Cuba (in weakened form) on its way to the Bahamas. The devastation it is expected to have left in its wake would in the past have been the subject of an almost immediate U.S. assistance response—but it’s not clear what will be forthcoming today or how effective it will be given the dismantling of U.S. foreign assistance agencies. How should we expect the Trump administration to respond? And what could the long term consequences be?

In object lessons, Tyler is sampling Baauer’s Sample Breakdowns on Instagram for the muses behind the music. Scott is musing about the various uses of his vacuum sealer, particularly for his garden bounty. And Ari is singing the praises of the versatility of black sesame.

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0:00.0

Tyler, you're back in your native environments here in New York City because you've been on the road the last week or two.

0:06.6

But I guess you are on your road in your native environs, but now you're in your not native but more recent environments back in New York City. Welcome home.

0:14.2

Thank you. Yeah. So, yeah, I guess for people who don't know, I've been working on this series about the Georgia Guidestones with our good friends of Goat

0:20.9

Rodeo, so keep an eye out for that.

0:22.8

Not a lot for a project.

0:24.5

Not a lot for a project, but an exciting project nonetheless.

0:27.1

So any conspiracy theorists out there, I get excited.

0:29.7

But this reporting trip last week to Georgia was a bit rougher than past ones.

0:35.8

There was a series of unfortunate events that I can run you quickly through if that's...

0:39.3

Please. Please.

0:40.3

If you want a little shot in Freud, basically what happened was I stayed at a hotel in Georgia, I believe it was the one near the Atlanta airport.

0:48.3

On the trip, I lost a roll of film in a field, and so I was like searching around, searching around.

0:52.3

Eventually I found it.

0:53.3

And then when I was flying home, searching around eventually I found it and then when

0:54.6

I was flying home I got I started getting like really itchy arms and so I assumed it was poison ivy

0:59.7

having gotten poison ivy many times before in the Georgia wilderness as soon as I got home and I was

1:05.9

changing my partner was like those are bed bug bites and you should probably leave. And so I was immediately treated like a leper. But she was right. They were bed bug bites. I ran home. I like bagged up my, I threw stuff in the laundry, bagged up everything else. I live in a studio, so I sequestered it to the like this one shared closet in my hallway. The next day, it was gone. I've never had anything stolen in that closet.

1:29.4

But I remember there was an air tag in it.

1:31.9

So I pulled up the air tag.

1:33.9

Lo and behold, it is less than a mile away.

1:36.6

And I went there.

1:38.6

It was a bit of a seedy place.

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