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🗓️ 22 October 2025
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This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Senior Fellow Eric Columbus, Ukraine Fellow Anastasiia Lapatina, and Public Service Fellow Loren Voss to talk through the week’s big news in national security, including:
In object lessons, Loren thinks we should play more and recommends Wayside Farm for a pumpkin-picking, maize-mazing good time. Eric thinks we should get cozy more with a second-skin, chambray-shirt classic. Scott thinks we should reflect more with a majorly-meditative, lightlessly-enlightening retreat. And Nastya thinks we should read more with eloquent-essayist Zadie Smith’s cultural commentary, “Feel Free.”
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| 0:00.0 | Nastya has been a while since we've had you on the podcast, reuniting lawfarers and Raft's career's kind of global, global reach. I missed you, too. But you are not just, I understand you've not just been, you're not just our key correspondent at the moment. You've been doing a little globe trotting yourself. Where are you coming back from? I was in Norway around a week ago. |
| 0:22.1 | So jealous. |
| 0:22.8 | In Oslo. It was so good. I love Norway. I love Norwegians. And I have a actually, good that you brought |
| 0:29.6 | that up. I have a nice little sweet piece of gossip for you. So I was hanging out with some |
| 0:36.0 | officials from the Norwegian government after some of the more serious |
| 0:40.6 | meetings we had at the parliament and such. And I ran into one senior official who said that he |
| 0:47.8 | was a big fan of rational security and a loyal listener. So, you know, that was very nice to hear. Oh, yeah. There |
| 0:56.4 | you go. A beautiful country of Norway. So I was thinking of you the entire time, Scott. |
| 1:00.7 | Hey, I'll take whatever you can get. You know, I'm a big, I'm a big Norway fan having never been. |
| 1:05.9 | But I love, I love feeling cozy. I love chunky sweaters. I love angular architecture. So I'm all for |
| 1:13.8 | wood natural patterns, but it's kind of in a modern, sort of unnatural take. That's what I'm all |
| 1:18.9 | about, man. Get good with it. The style and fashion choices just make me want to cry in the best way. |
| 1:25.1 | Unbelievable. And I could maybe even get talked into, actually, now's well, I will never try pickled fish, but I'm happy to watch other people eat it. |
| 1:32.6 | I tried whale. |
| 1:34.3 | Whoa. |
| 1:35.4 | Yeah. |
| 1:36.0 | How was it? |
| 1:36.9 | I think I'm yet to try moose, is it? |
| 1:40.0 | There is some other very weird local stock that's just normal for them, like a cow in Ukraine, but for me it's way too exotic. |
| 1:48.5 | But yeah, whale, it just tastes like chicken liver, which I used to eat a lot as a kid. |
| 1:53.7 | Not something I'm going to particularly be grabbing, you know, every other lunch, but not, not disgusting. |
| 2:03.6 | Yeah. know every other lunch, but not, not disgusting. Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Rational Security, the show where we invite you to |
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