meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
The Lawfare Podcast

Rational Security: The “Mosquitos and Heat and Sweaty and Eww” Edition

The Lawfare Podcast

The Lawfare Institute

History, Military, International Relations, Government, Constitutional Law, News, International Law, Current Events, Politics, Rule Of Law, Law, Foreign Policy, Diplomacy, National Security, Intelligence, Terrorism

4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 4 June 2026

⏱️ 73 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Ukraine Fellow Anastasiia Lapatina and Managing Editor Tyler McBrien, and Lawfare Contributing Editor and Vice President of Research, Security and Defense at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs Ariane Tabatabai, to talk through the week’s big news in national security, including:

  • “The Empire Strikes Out.” Russia’s ground offensive in Ukraine appears to have hit some stiff resistance with it losing territory over the past calendar year in the face of a strong defense by Ukrainian forces—including strikes on Russian supply lines in Russia—and growing manpower shortages and economic pressures at home. But Russian President Vladimir Putin appears to be compensating with one of the most brutal air campaigns in recent memory, including a massive aerial attack on Kyiv this week that forced tens of thousands of Ukrainians to shelter in place—including our own Nastya. What signs are there for optimism—or for caution—on the future of Russia’s war of aggression? And how will positive developments on the battlefield for Ukraine impact Russia’s demands at the negotiating table?
  • “Strait Trippin’.” On Tuesday, Secretary of State Marco Rubio appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for the first time since the U.S. went to war with Iran and told senators that “the war is over.” This statement came just days after the United States and Iran traded strikes and Iranian state-run news outlets reported that it had broken off negotiations with the United States. President Trump, on the other hand, insists that the talks are still ongoing and appeared to pressure Israel to pull back from a major offensive against Hezbollah over the weekend. What do we make of these developments? Has there been any progress toward a negotiated solution to the conflict? Is there any reality to Secretary Rubio’s assertion that the war has come to an end?
  • “Pulte Fiction.” President Trump announced an unexpected pick to take over the position of Director of National Intelligence on Tuesday: Bill Pulte, the director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency and heir to a residential home building empire, with apparently no national security experience whatsoever. Trump said Pulte will stay on as housing director and take over the job from Tulsi Gabbard in a part-time and acting capacity. So who exactly is he? And why does Trump trust him enough to pick him to serve, at least part time, in one of the country’s most important intelligence positions? 

In object lessons, the crew goes all in on what to read and listen to. Nastya is giving a nod to “The Limits of Partnership: U.S.-Russian Relations in the Twenty-First Century,” by Angela Stent. Tyler is giving two thumbs up to the work of architecture critic Kate Wagner. Scott is tapping his toe to Marisa Anderson’s “The Anthology of UnAmerican Folk Music.” And Ari is grooving to the Switched On Pop podcast, a deep dive into the music that moves us.

To receive ad-free podcasts, become a Lawfare Material Supporter at www.patreon.com/lawfare. You can also support Lawfare by making a one-time donation at https://givebutter.com/lawfare-institute.

Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/lawfare.


Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

So, Ari, I think anybody just listening to this, won't be able to tell you're wearing a lovely tropical looking floral, you know, Hawaii appropriate shirt, which can only mean one thing that you're in Chicago for some reason, I guess? How is it? How is it treating? Obviously, you're not acclimating at all to your new environment. Technically, I think you should be in a puffy coat eating a sausage or a deep fried ravioli.

0:22.4

I think that's technically St. Louis.

0:23.5

But you know what I mean. It's a little different vibe. But you're bringing your own flair to Chicago. I like it. How is it treating you? I've gone fully native. Listen, it is summer in Chicago, which means it's glorious. and now I can talk about the weather.

0:36.9

Like it's, you know, it's a thing that I just do all the time.

0:39.9

I talk to strangers about the weather. Like it's, you know, it's a thing that I just

0:38.7

do all the time. I talk to strangers all the time. We make, you know, small talk. I look people in the

0:44.7

eye. It's, it's a very different world out here. But yeah, no, people are all outside. Our team

0:51.4

keeps telling me that, you know, it's, it's summer. People don't go to programs

0:54.6

anymore because everybody's outside drinking on the patio. I'm like, I come from D.C. where over

0:59.7

the summer, you just don't leave your house, right? Because mosquitoes and heats and sweaty and

1:04.9

eh. That's our experience, right? That's actually lovely outside in D.C. today. But other than that, we're preparing for the inevitable 90 degree swamp that we have most summers. Yeah, I admit, I've like been to Chicago, I think three times now, twice in summer and once in like a weekend in November where it was like flawless, like it was like 80 degrees outside. So I have this vision of tropical Chicago that I like never want to abandon in my brain because I see these pictures. I hear stories of like the full body parkas becoming daily attire. And I'm just like I can't I can't reconcile them with that brain. I want to see like, you know, a sunny reflection of a tropical drink in that big silver bean, whatever else you guys have going downtown. Uh, it's,

1:44.6

it's, it's, it sounds lovely. Just miles of beaches. Just miles of beaches and sailboats. Exactly.

1:49.8

That's kind of my vision of, uh, of Chicago. I will say I lived in, um, I, I've told, I told Ari this

1:55.6

before you moved there, but I, uh, I lived in Chicago for 10 months and I did the architectural boat tour three

2:02.0

times. I guess you're so incredible. So if you want to talk to me, talk about, you know,

2:06.8

Chicago tourism, I'm your guy. No, don't tell, uh, Mike Feinberg and Natalie, but I think I'm a

2:13.5

Chicago convert. So I'm now part of the cult that is Chicago.

2:22.8

I feel like it's a dangerous thing to assert when you move there in like April and it's only June.

2:25.5

Like let's see how that first winter goes.

2:28.4

And then we'll see how big a convert you really are.

2:29.4

That's true. Hello everyone and welcome back to Rational Security.

2:38.0

The show where we invite you to join members of the Lawfare team is we try to make sense

...

Transcript will be available on the free plan in 25 days. Upgrade to see the full transcript now.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from The Lawfare Institute, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of The Lawfare Institute and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.