Rational Security: The “Deeply Iran-ic” Edition
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🗓️ 9 April 2026
⏱️ 82 minutes
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Summary
This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Daniel Byman, Tyler McBrien, and Natalie Orpett to talk through aspects of the week’s biggest Iran-focused news stories, including:
- “Situational Iran-y.” The world came into Tuesday evening fearing a major escalation in the ongoing U.S. and Israeli conflict with Iran. But instead, President Trump made a last-minute choice to accept a two-week ceasefire, conditional on the opening of the Strait of Hormuz—a condition that Iran indicated it was prepared to meet, kind of, so long as “open” means coordinating with its military forces (and paying) for safe transit. Is this the beginning of the end of the Iran conflict? And what does the shape of the ceasefire tell us about the conflict’s likely regional implications moving forward?
- “Verbal Iran-y.” Tuesday’s breakthrough ceasefire agreement came after days of increasingly outlandish rhetoric by President Trump, including a threat earlier that day that “a whole civilization will die tonight” if his conditions were not met. What role did Trump’s threats play in the outcome? And what might the broader ramifications might be of the U.S. president issuing threats that would amount to war crimes (if not genocide) if actually followed up on?
- “Dramatic Iran-y.” While Trump’s rhetoric was undoubtedly intended to communicate strength, it came from a place of increasing weakness. U.S. military operations in Iran were weeks away from a major statutory barrier, and efforts to secure needed supplemental funding are facing headwinds in Congress. Perhaps more importantly, the conflict has proven widely unpopular and devastating for the U.S. and broader global economy—two factors that weigh heavily on Trump and his congressional allies in an election year. What will this shift in the Iran conflict mean for Trump’s political future? Not to mention the legal and institutional arrangements that have allowed him to pursue so unorthodox a foreign policy in recent months?
In object lessons, Dan is not playing games when simulating the 1960 presidential election. Natalie is delighting in another kind of history with the masterful writing in Claire Messud’s “This Strange Eventful History.” Scott is revisiting a 2002 Donald Trump review of “Citizen Kane” that has a somewhat surprising ending. And Tyler is recommending that you watch as much Artemis II content as humanly possible.
Note: We’re taking a little break next week, but keep an eye out for our next episode on April 23!
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| 0:00.0 | Scott, I want to tell you something, and I hope this doesn't disturb you. |
| 0:04.7 | You were in my dreams last night. |
| 0:07.1 | I mean, that's better on the nature of the dream, Dan. |
| 0:09.9 | I don't know. |
| 0:11.2 | So I'm not going to scrub what you were wearing, but I was on my bike. |
| 0:15.5 | Inevitably, I had a pocket square, I can only assume. |
| 0:18.4 | But that's it. |
| 0:19.9 | Maybe that's it. |
| 0:21.2 | I don't know how it stays up at that point. |
| 0:24.3 | So I'm mainly a bike commuter, so I'm on my bike commuting to work with Lauren |
| 0:30.5 | Groff, the wonderful author, whose book brawler I just finished, a collection of short |
| 0:35.2 | stories. |
| 0:35.6 | But nevertheless, she is biking with me, which was, you know, pleasant. |
| 0:38.6 | And on my way to my office, there was a stretch that was a little rough, so I decided to get off my bike and check it out on foot. |
| 0:45.9 | And when I came back, my bike was gone. |
| 0:49.7 | And I'm freaking out. |
| 0:50.9 | I'm very attached to my bike. |
| 0:52.6 | And then you show up and you point out that I'm now |
| 0:55.4 | late for this podcast. And then, because I take my deadlines very seriously, but fortunately, |
| 1:02.7 | you have brought recording equipment with you. So I have to say, I don't know what happens after |
| 1:08.9 | that. I don't know what incredible insights I had to share in Iran on the bike path, but we were going to do the podcast from the bike path, and then I woke up. Honestly, it wouldn't be the weirdest place we've done a podcast from before. Wouldn't even be in the cop five. Yeah, Ben's done it for moving trains with a questionable choice in hindsight we realize now. |
| 1:29.6 | So, you know, it wouldn't be that bad. |
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