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🗓️ 22 May 2025
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This week, Scott sat down with a particularly baritone cast of Lawfare colleagues—co-host emeritus Benjamin Wittes, Foreign Policy Editor Dana Stuster, and Senior Editor (aka Legal Correspondent) Roger Parloff—to discuss the week’s biggest national security news stories, including:
In Object Lessons, as white smoke rose over the Vatican, Roger also turned his gaze heavenward—diving into Benjamin Blech and Roy Doliner’s “The Sistine Secrets” to uncover the subtexts Michelangelo left behind. Inspired by the same papal events, Scott turned to Conclave for a peek inside the process. Ben planted seeds of solidarity and resilience (or was that resistance?) across from the Russian embassy. And Dana’s incoming students at Franklin and Marshall College are about to share in his appreciation for Osamu Dazai’s “The Setting Sun.”
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1:04.6 | So guys, preekness or stash? |
1:11.5 | Ben, |
1:12.3 | getting into the meta of our B-roll conversation from the jump. |
1:16.8 | I mean, we've got Scott says he watched the preakness. |
1:20.5 | Dana is sporting the most 70s mustache I've seen in a long time. |
1:26.9 | Which are we talking about? We do have a bit of a facial |
1:30.7 | hair trend going. Why don't we start with the stash as we critiqued Ben's facial hair the last time. He |
1:34.9 | was on the podcast. I think it's only fair. Dana, what has inspired this very Tom Selleck vibe? |
1:40.9 | I was going to say, John Bolton vibe. |
1:43.3 | You're not wearing a Hawaiian shirt, |
1:44.8 | which I do think is the move that you're missing, and perhaps flying on a helicopter with a, |
1:48.8 | I think it was a Yankees hat was the Magnum P.I vibe. I can keep going bigger. I had a beard |
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