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The Lawfare Podcast

Rational Security: The “A Perfect Meeting” Edition

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4.76.2K Ratings

🗓️ 5 March 2025

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

This week, Scott was joined by his Lawfare colleagues Molly Reynolds and Quinta Jurecic to work through the week’s big national security news stories, including:

  • “Kyiv Calm and Tarry On.” This past Friday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy visited the White House for what turned into a disastrous meeting, in which President Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance baited him into a heated public argument over Russia’s invasion of his country. In its aftermath, Trump refused to sign the minerals deal Zelensky was there to finalize and has now cut off U.S. assistance to Ukraine—though, at the time of recording, reports were emerging that the minerals deal was now back on track. And while European allies have stepped up their support for Ukraine, Trump’s Republican allies have united in support of him and increasingly called for Zelenskyy’s resignation. What contributed to this explosive about-face in U.S. policy towards Ukraine? And what does it tell us about the Trump administration’s decision-making?
  • “Betting Against the House.” House Majority Leader Mike Johnson scored what many are framing as a big win last week when he—with help from President Trump and ally Elon Musk—was able to unite his fractious caucus’s narrow majority to pass their preferred budget. But there are concerns that aspects of the budget—and the broader agenda Trump is pressuring his party to unite behind—will likely undermine Republicans’ prospects of holding the House in 2026 midterm elections. What is the state of governance in Congress at the moment? And what does it mean for the Trump administration’s aggressive agenda.
  • “Prime Directive.” Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos once again intervened in the newspaper’s opinions section last week, when he indicated that the paper no longer had a responsibility to reflect diverse views and would instead focus on issues of “personal liberties and free markets” that he thought were important for America—a mandate that led opinions editor David Shipley to resign. Is Bezos’s move an effort to dodge the ire of President Trump and his supporters? Or is something else in play? And what impact will it have on the paper’s future as an institution?

For object lessons, Quinta endorsed the New York Times Magazine’s lengthy art-imitates-life-imitates-art portrait of the Murdoch family and their odd relationship with the show Succession. Scott shared his discovery of a beautiful (and free!) online graphic novel of one of his favorite books, Lloyd Alexander’s “The Book of Three,” that’s made it much more accessible for his young son, and asked for listeners to recommend other good graphic novel translations of classic fantasy and sci-fi suitable for a younger audience. And Molly celebrated the best season of the year: Girl Scout cookie season!

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Also, check out Lawfare's other podcast offerings, Rational Security, Chatter,

0:25.2

Lawfare No Bull, and The Aftermath.

0:30.2

Molly, of all the times we've recorded together, and as familiar as I feel like I've

0:35.3

gotten with your office backdrop, I feel like I just noted you have a giant stylized LBJ sticker attached to your filing cabinet.

0:41.9

That is, I feel like a real statement these days.

0:43.9

Yeah.

0:44.3

So it's a gift from my father-in-law.

0:46.4

It's from an early LBJ campaign.

0:49.3

Next to it, you can't quite see as well, is a ticket my trip to the John F. Kennedy Library in Boston.

0:57.7

Next to the JFK Library is what I consider to be the superior facility, the Edward M. Kennedy Institute

1:04.5

for the study of the U.S. Senate, where I visited, it did not know this was happening when I went there, and I'm being completely

1:12.5

serious. I cannot have imagined a better day to go. I visited on the day that John McCain's

1:18.6

funeral was happening, and inside the Kennedy Institute, they have a life-sized replica of the

1:25.6

Senate chamber, like a one-to-one replica. It's exactly the same size. Everything is the same. And they were showing the McCain funeral on like a large projection screen in the replica Senate chamber. And I cannot imagine this feels cringe to say, but I'm going to say it anyway, I'm kind of a

1:44.5

cringe human.

1:45.0

I cannot imagine a better time to have gone into a replica Senate chamber for a better

1:51.7

purpose than to watch John McCain's funeral be broadcast.

1:56.2

That is something.

1:57.2

That is a real weird Molly moment.

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