Lawfare Daily: The State of the Gaza Ceasefire and Related Issues, with Joel Braunold

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🗓️ 5 March 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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For today's episode, Lawfare General Counsel and Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson sat down with Joel Braunold, the Managing Director for the S. Daniel Abraham Center for Middle East Peace and a Contributing Editor at Lawfare, to discuss the end of the first phase of the Gaza ceasefire and other recent developments relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Together, they discussed how the terms of the ceasefire were changing, recent tensions between Israel and the new Syrian regime over threats to Druze communities, and how the Trump administration is trying to navigate it all.

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0:00.0	The following podcast contains advertising.
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0:18.2	Also, check out Lawfare's other podcast offerings, Rational Security, Chatter,
0:25.2	Lawfare No Bull, and The Aftermath. Where we sit right now is that the Israelis have not really
0:36.2	projected their own vision of a day after.
0:38.9	They've just said, we'll take whatever President Trump gives us, and they're really playing
0:42.1	behind whatever President Trump decides to do.
0:45.0	And President Trump said, you know, the Israelis can do whatever they want to do.
0:48.8	It's the Lawfare podcast.
0:50.7	I'm senior editor Scott R. Anderson with Joel Ronald, managing director for the S. Daniel
0:55.3	Abraham Center for Middle East Peace and a contributing editor here at Lawfare.
0:59.6	Trump administration is like, look, let's keep the ceasefire going. That is issue A, B, C, D, E, and F.
1:06.3	Let's keep it going. And once it's going, we can talk about everything else. If we can get to an end of
1:10.5	the wall, we can build off that and then do something rather than pack it all into one. And so I think
1:15.1	that's also been a distinct shift in strategy. For today's episode, we are discussing the latest
1:20.5	developments relating to the Gaza ceasefire and the state of the broader Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
1:26.2	So, Joel, the last time we sat down for one of these conversations, you noted that March
1:33.7	1st was going to be a very big day or thereabouts, because we saw a lot of dates lining up
1:40.4	for big deliverables or big developments on that day. That was more or less when the first
1:46.4	phase of the ceasefire was supposed to end and transition to the second phase, at least under
1:49.9	the original schedule, more or less when President Trump suggested that you would see a U.S.
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