Welcome to the Eric Mataxis show.

I shouldn't tell you this, but Eric hired someone who sounds just like him to host today's show.

But since I'm the announcer, they told me.

So I am telling you, don't be fooled.

The real Eric's in jail.

And welcome.

Hey there, folks.

Welcome to the Air from a Taxis show.

I'm Eric Pataxus.

This is the show.

I talk to fun people, interesting people, all kinds of people.

And today, very excited.

I actually have in my hand a book called Start Where You Are. And that should be easy because you're already there. Start Where You Are, How God Meets You in Your Mess, loves you through it, and leads you out of it. Who's the author? Rishon Copeland, he's my guest. Did you know that? Rishan, welcome the program. Great to have you. Eric, thanks for having me. I'm so humble to be here and looking forward to our time together. And thank you for endorsing the book, man. Well, listen, the message of your book, it's why I have you on the program as well. I just think it's important. And I think your story is important, how you got there.

And so for people who don't know who you are, now you are a minister of the gospel. You're doing all

kinds of stuff. But I want to get to your story of how you got to where you are. Because when you say

in the title of your book, start where you are, you know, in your mess,

you definitely were in a mess.

So tell us, you know, your life story up to where God comes into it.

Like where did you grow up?

What was it like, you know, talk to us about that?

Good deal. So Eric, I grew up in a military family. I was, you know, the kid that actually,

you know, was a kid that loved, you know, one family. And, you know, our family was a pretty

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