Welcome back. This is the big blue banter. New York Giants football podcast. I'm Dan Schneier.

Joined as always my coach, Nick Falado. And today we have a special guest joining us on the show.

It's Kent Lee Platte. I think I pronounced that last name correctly, though we just had a big back and forth discussion on how it actually is supposed to be pronounced.

And I heard like three different variations. So I tried to juggle in my head, which one is the correct one? You may know him on Twitter as math bomb. He is the dude who created the relative athletic score. And he's the dude who tracks it. So I'm sure you've seen a lot about that because I've been tweeting a lot about it myself over the last week, specifically during the combine. So today we wanted to bring him on to talk a few things. One, we wanted to get the overall, his overall kind of how RAS came together. We also want to talk about how Joe Shane, Giants General Manager, used it in his first season and his first draft last year. And then some big takeaways from this draft. But before we do that, Kent, how are you doing you doing today i know you've been on the circuit we've been talking to a lot of people and this is your time of the year to shine yeah man i'm happy to be always always love spending time with with g men fans and and hanging out with big blue guys um you know i've been on uh with john schmiel a couple of times um i think the last three years we've been on his show. So it's always fun to come on and talk to stuff. Family has always been super supportive. So very, very excited to talk about this stuff with y'all. Awesome. So let's get started right there then. Tell us how relative athletic score came to be, what goes into it. and then maybe give us a little insight on one thing

you would hope the NFL would start doing at the combine from a testing standpoint if there is a thing

that would kind of give you even better idea of what these players relative elect score can be

you're limited me to one man I could have hours give us all of them you know it relevant athletic scores

is almost a decade old.

I started this in 2013.

The idea at the time was to try to conceptualize metrics in a way that is simple and makes sense to a casual observer, a dedicated fan,

people who've been watching this for 20, 30 years.

Everybody can understand it and it's simple. We have all these different terms.

They get thrown around at draft time. This guy is quick but not fast. This guy is explosive. This

guy is slow even or athletic, unathletic. These terms don't mean anything without the context behind

them. And it's really nice, I think, to put a score behind it that helps add that context. So it makes a lot more sense. In 2013, we had Levion Bell come out, and that was the big discussion that year was how can a running back this unathletic end up in the early rounds? And he wasn't unathletic, not even close. He just ran a four, six, 40s. So that whole talk was, well, he's unathletic. You want to say he's not fast? Sure, then say he's not fast. But unathletic was totally incorrect. It was not a good way to describe Livyon Bell. He was a bigger back that ran a 675 three cone. That is a fantastic three cone for any back, let alone a bat at his size guy had all kinds of athleticism he just didn't have that foot speed that they were

looking for. So they started giving them the wrong terms. And I've been doing that ever since. Every year there's guys that were able to look at and they get that, oh, well, he didn't run a great 40, so he's not super athletic. We had that with Kyle Hamilton last year that went to the ratings. Hamilton was extremely athletic. He just didn't run a great 40, so he got that wrong term attached to him. RAS puts everything in a perspective. Everything's zero to 10. Everybody understands zero to 10. Zero ain't good. You don't want to be a zero. So it's easy. And that's the idea. Make it easy for

fans. I have one question. I heard you refer to it as Raz. Is that how you, the creator of this

refers to it? Because we've been using RAS this entire time. RAS is totally fine. It depends on the

context. Like I'll call it RAS when i'm being more descriptive of like the metric because i

always like to say that the r does all the heavy lifting because like the the athletic part you get

right athletic thing score it's the number the r is where you get into it's compared to the players

positional group based on the entire position from 1987 to the draft year and you you get them that more complicated stuff when you get behind that R.

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