Given that you categorize what Israel did to Hezbollah with the pages, you said it was an act of terror.

Was what Hamas did in October the 7th, an act of terrorism?

The killing by the Israeli Air Force of Israeli citizens was an act of terror that we lived.

But I'm answering your question.

I'm talking about mass murder of people on October the 7th. By the Israeli military. See, it's just absurd. As I said to you then, the picture is not clear of what exactly Hamas did to Israelis. You are incredibly ill-informed about this. I'm not concerned about whether you think or don't think that credibility. I have a question for you based on what you've just said about

settlement. At some point, Loki, you're going to answer some of my questions. I don't come of this

from supporting either over the other. Are you sure about that? Yeah. Well, many people know Loki as a rapper,

a playwright and a poet, but it's fair to say that even more know him as a fierce advocate for

the rights of Palestinians and a fierce critic of Israel. First, and only time we've spoken was in the immediate

aftermath of October the 7th. Israel and its supporters couldn't see beyond the horrors of

atrocities. Critics were angered by how quickly it eclipsed decades of Palestinian suffering

and heralded a great deal more. A lot has happened since then,

but has anything really changed. Karim Dennis, better known as Loki, joins me in the studio now.

And from Washington, D.C., I'm joined by the Lebanese, American author, and activist Brigitte Gabriel.

Well, welcome to both of you. Lucky, we never met, so it's good to meet you. We had a pretty

fiery exchange last time when I was in New York and you were here.

Passions were running very high.

I think it's fair to say from my experience of debates since, there's been no dilution in the way people feel about this.

If anything, I think views are getting more and more entrenched as it

goes on. What is your feeling about where we are now with this war and indeed the widening conflict

with Israel apparently planning a grounding cushion into Lebanon? Well, that initial interview,

there were three things that I stated, which have since come clearly to fruition.

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