This is the reason interview with Nick Gillespie. My guest today is the libertarian-leaning senator from Kentucky, Republican Rand Paul. Senator Paul, thanks for talking to reason.

Glad to be with you, Nick. Thanks for having me. You are an outspoken advocate for releasing all of the material on Jeffrey Epstein and everything that comes out of that.

You co-sponsored the Epstein Files Transparency Act in the Senate. After a very public delay,

Donald Trump has fully endorsed the idea of getting all the Epstein stuff out there.

What is in the Epstein files that we don't know yet that you think will be

important for the public to know about? I think it's important to know, first of all, that

Donald Trump was for it before he was against it, before he was now for it. I have no idea what's in

the files. It really has not been a big pressing issue for me. It's not something

I've spent a lot of time either thinking about or researching. But as people talked about it

endlessly, and as Donald Trump and his acolytes talked about it endlessly, it became a symbol

for the idea of does your government treat people differently, whether they're wealthy or not?

So if someone is super wealthy, do they get a different form of government than someone who is not?

And so the idea that we wouldn't reveal these people because they were rich, I guess I side on,

you know, I come down on the side of transparency because I think that it's

important that if government's going to meet out justice, that the justice, you know, be

impartial based on the color of your skin, impartial based on who you are individually,

but also impartial based on your financial circumstances.

But in that, I have no idea if anything is going to come out.

I also think there are some complexities.

For example, I'm a public figure.

If you accuse me of a heinous crime,

and it turns out I didn't do it and they investigate me,

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