Welcome back to another episode of Ramyumptum Ruminations.

I'm the host, Scott.

Today's very special episode is called A Lawyer's Duty to Truth with Radio Free Mormon.

Welcome to a very special episode of Ramyumptum Ruminations, very, very special. Hey, you're still

in the green room, so hold on, give me just a sec. I've got a very special guest today.

You may have heard of from the title of the show, but I've got the famous infamous, I'll let you

be the judge, RFM here to discuss a very interesting subject. While I was preparing for an episode

back in November, I was doing a bit of thinking and trying to dissect some of the words of

Elder Oaks that he gave in an interview on the OPB. OPB? What's OPB? That's Oregon Public Broadcasting.

I meant to say PBS, but I said the wrong thing. Elder Oaks gets around. That's right.

There's no feed too small for him to appear on. He gave an interview to PBS,

and a documentary called The Mormons, and in that he made some statements about the relationship

that the leaders of the church have with the church, and he related them to in very lawyer terms.

And so I thought that we would bring our resident ex-mormon lawyer to dissect some of these phrases

to better understand the relationship that the leaders of the church have with truth and with the

church and with its members. So without further ado, radio free Mormon, you can come out of the green

room now. Okay, thank you. Thank you so much. Rammy Emptum, Ruminations, or can I just call you

RR for short? You can call me RR, you can call me Scott, you can call me names, whatever makes you

feel the happiest. Okay, well, I'm pretty happy this morning because I got invited to be on your show

to talk about something that's near and dear to my cold lawyer heart. It's something that I don't

really get into very much on any other podcast or haven't as of yet. I think people are vaguely aware

that I am a lawyer, that I'm a defense attorney, that I have a practice, that I have been in practice

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