People are not willing to concede that intelligent people of goodwill can be on the other side of them from an issue.

It's very easy to think of a kind of faceless abstraction of conservatives or liberals, and they're all terrible people.

Hey, hey and welcome. This is the Ben Shapiro Show Sunday special. We are joined today by Ramesh Poonuru. He's visiting fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. He's senior editor at

National Review. He's an opinion columnist for Bloomberg. I can't wait to get started with the conversation.

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I mean, I've met Dinesh, and I must agree. I must agree. So let's start with the spicy stuff.

Your perspective on President Trump. So you've talked before about how you think that President Trump has affected the Republican Party and the perspectives of Americans going forward on politics.

Do you think that he is a net benefit or net negative for conservatism and conservatives?

Well, I mean, I think you'd have to say that he's accomplished a lot that conservatives want.

So he got two appointees to the Supreme Court who are pretty conservative. I'd say

Justice Gorsuch has been a more solid conservative and originalist than Justice Kavana so far has

shown himself to be. We got, I think, a tax reform that is on balance pretty good. We've seen a lot

of deregulation. And so I think a lot of good things have happened.

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