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Chris, first of all, thanks for coming and talking to us this afternoon. You are the author

of many, many books about sports, leadership and management. And it's in that latter category

I want to chat to you about in most depths, I think. You're most recent books. You're

most recent book is quite leadership, co-written with Carlo Ancelotti. And I suppose there's

sort of triities on his methods and his secrets to success, if you like. How did that come

to fruition? How did you end up being the man who wrote that with him?

We actually met through his wife, Funnie, and many years ago I was the deputy dean in

charge of MBA programs at Casp Business School, Funnie and Afro-Anthorne, the corner from

this studio. And he was one of my students. And years and years later we bumped into each

other. And I said to you, we're doing this country, it's nice to see you sound my

very reminds me. Oh, woozy. Carlo Ancelotti, really. Right, introduce me. And we became friends

and some stage later he decided he wanted to write a book that wasn't just a little

topography. There was much more about his leadership style and much more about the relationship

to other leadership organisations to businesses and so on. So for to see whether there are

any transferable skills to us, to us any extent. So I added that bit to the process.

Well, let's look at the transferable skills. So what we did with the book was interesting

to we actually looked at the book and said, what are the problems that managers come up

against and leaders come up against in every walk of life? Okay, Carlo, how did you deal

with that in your walk of life? And then, sorry, if those skills appeared to be transferable

or not? And I mean, I suppose we may as well start with

Carlo then. Do you think he is particularly unique in terms of management? I mean, clearly

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