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This is the Tom Hartman program.

We've been talking this program about white supremacy, white supremacists,

the relationship between that and gun violence and the promotion of guns, the NRA and

Wayne LaPierre's anti-Semitism and all this kind of stuff.

I want to dig a little deeper into this.

On the line with us are Professor Marsha Pali who wrote the book White Evangelicals

and right-wing populism. How did we get here?

And Professor Pamela Cooper White who wrote the book The Psychology of Christian Nationalism,

why people are drawn in and how to talk across the divide.

Marsha Pali, M-A-R-C-I-A-P-A-L-L-Y.com and then the other website is utsnyc.edu.

Professor Pali and Professor Cooper White, thank you both for joining us.

I'd like to start with you, Professor Pali, where are we at with regard to white evangelicals,

right-wing populism? To what extent has what was once considered a fringe movement in the

United States become mainstream? And what kind of threat does it represent to this republic?

I'll start with very briefly two statistics and then we want to get into the big Y question.

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