You're listening to the Family Discipleship podcast, a podcast of training the church.

And you all, I can still remember where I was standing in that room as they were scanning my wife's belly,

and the technician looked up

with this huge smile and said, I see two heads. And I remember thinking, then why are you

smiling if the baby has two heads? Like if I don't connect myself strongly to that, that I have a lot of need, I don't have a need for a big savior.

My kids can't get to the good stuff of hope.

They can't build character unless they first stopped off at the suffering, the struggle that builds perseverance that

gives way to character that then anchors them to hope.

This is Adam Griffin, and I'm joined as usual by our resident expert emotional experiencer, my co-hosts,

Mrs. Cassie Bryant. How you do today, Cassie? Well, I do experience a lot of emotions. And today, I would say, I'm doing exuberant. Let's stick with the ease. You're doing exuberant. That sounds great. Exuberantly. I'm doing exuberantly. I'm doing exuberantly. I'm not great at language. I'm good at emotions. Yeah, great at emotions.

It actually makes me feel very anxious when I'm put on the spot on a microphone. And, of course, the woman who's raising my boys, my wife, Mrs. Chelsea Griffin. Chelsea, how you doing? On top of the world, you know? Like usual. Just the usual. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what a privilege. What a distinct honor. what a treat to have on today's episode,

the King of Counselors,

an authoritative author,

a pro-turb of... Well, what a privilege, what a distinct honor, what a treat to have on today's episode,

the King of Counselors, an authoritative authoritative author, a proficient parent, a licensed master

social worker, and a phenomenal podcaster, Mr. David Thomas, ladies and gentlemen, David Thomas

on the episode. David, how are you doing today? I am so grateful to be with you all. And I can tell you just don't have any fun being together. That's obvious. It's best if we're really digitally together, you know? As I say, they don't allow us in the same room. So we have to, and we even had to leave churches. We're in separate churches because we were having too much fun at the same church. Just too much in one space. Chelsea and I actually stayed at the same church. Yeah, we feel like

it's better for our marriage. That's true. And you're in the same room often. It's the three of us. Well, David, I read your book a couple weeks ago. And let me just tell you, there was, first I was a little offended because I assume that most of it was based on very close proximity to my family.

It was so incredibly accurate that I could only most of it was based on very close proximity to my family.

It was so incredibly accurate that I could only assume that you could write it by having seen

the struggles that we go through as parents. So thank you, but you didn't have my permission.

But it was at the same time. Gosh, David, so, so good. Chelsea and I were reading through some of my

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