Raising a new generation of readers with Shannon Hale
ReThinking
TED
4.7 • 626 Ratings
🗓️ 23 December 2025
⏱️ 41 minutes
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Summary
Shannon Hale is the author of more than 50 books for all ages, including the Princess Academy series and her graphic novel memoirs. In this episode, Adam and his daughter Joanna (a longtime fan of Shannon’s books) talk to Shannon about the powerful lessons books teach us about empathy, and take a closer look at how stories can either reinforce or dismantle the gender stereotypes kids learn early on. The three lament the decline in leisure reading, and brainstorm ways to nurture new readers and keep students interested in books.
Host & Guest
Adam Grant (Instagram: @adamgrant | LinkedIn: @adammgrant | Website: https://adamgrant.net/)
Shannon Hale (Instagram: @squeetus | Website: https://shannonhale.com/)
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| 1:01.8 | This story, like any good superhero, actually has an origin story. So I've got four kids. |
| 1:08.2 | My second, her name's Magnolia, and one day she was wearing this butterfly |
| 1:12.0 | skirt. And she pointed to the different colors on it, and she said, Mama, pink is a girl color, |
| 1:18.8 | and purple is a girl color, and yellow is a girl color, but not black. And I was like, what? Like, |
| 1:24.4 | of course girls can wear black. And she said, but Mama, princesses don't wear black. And for her, a princess wasn't about a royal title or being the child of a monarchy. That didn't make sense to her. A princess was, you know, a girl plus. In fact, one time when she was even littler, she asked me, Mama, do you want to see me turn into a princess? And I was like, yes. And she clenched |
| 1:47.2 | her fist and her face scrunched up real tight. And she began to shake, shake, shake. And then she would |
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