Recorded at Retention Science Studios, this is not your average entrepreneur or e-commerce

podcast, and he's not your average host. This is The Story of a Brand with your host, Ramon

Vela.

Like, I burn the ships, rather, and I have to make this work.

It was, I'm just putting to use all these things that I've been putting it on in my head

from a marketing standpoint, from a business standpoint.

And, yeah, it's a chop of debt, but I'm still just, I get, I'm, like,'m like playing with things you know it's just like

again that clay analogy like it's can you continually just like molding it and testing things out

and so um yes it was risque yes marketing and advertising is damn near possible still it's really stressful and

but for me it wasn't ever like I don't it wasn't it didn't ever think okay do I

do I got to have balls to do this it was just more it was a proofing ground for myself to see if I could do it, if I could do something.

And I guess now, for me, it just reinforced the idea that there's something, you can, there's a market for damn near anything.

And that gives me the confidence and really excites me about everything else.

You know, that's not taboo, that's not risque, that's more traditional, that already has a following.

Because I do think that we did kind of carve out our own corner of the world and the market, the Internet, that wasn't there.

And that's something I'm really proud of.

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