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Here is a big existential question for every media company today.

Do they fight the AI tech overlords or do they just take their money?

So far, most of them are taking the money, but a few are fighting.

One of them is Zip Davis. This is Peter Kafka, the host of channels. And on this week's episode,

I'm talking to Ziff Davis, CEO of Vekh Shah, who tells me he's kind of optimistic about the media

business and why he's taking on the people behind chat gbt that's this week on channels

wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts welcome to raging moderates i'm scy galloway and i'm

jessica charlough we're one years old i know one years old we're so fresh baby faith old. We're so fresh, baby-faced. Oh, my gosh. But one feels

serious. Happy anniversary. Is that weird? Likewise, we are. What is one? One is paper? Paper.

Paper. Yeah. Well, Daddy's been bringing you Benjamin's, if I might say so myself. So that's

I was going to say, is there like a money joke, but it's supposed to be sentimental, like, you know, what you give your partner on a one-year anniversary, like a special card or, you know, a photograph framed from your best trip ever. One year should just be a note saying, okay, if this hadn't happened, it'd be really fucking embarrassing. I was thinking about a buddy of mine. I was just in Brazil, and I have this wonderful friend that I met 20 years ago in Brazil. And whenever I go to Brazil on a speaking gig, I don't know if you know this, I'm big in Brazil. I'm big in Brazil. I'm big in your social media. Yeah. I'm big in the macho countries. I'm big in Brazil, South Africa, and Australia. Anyways, I have this great friend, Augusto, and I met him at a bachelor party where the bachelor didn't show up.

A good friend of mine, he's not eccentric, but he gets really into shit. And he decided he was really into Brazil. And we went down to Salvador de Bahia for carnival, which was amazing. And he met one of the biggest

movie stars in Brazil and was, of course, immediately starstruck, you know, talented, famous,

beautiful, and Brazilian. Anyways, their marriage lasted like not very long. But my friendship

with Augusto has endured 20 plus years, and we knew it wouldn't work

very long when the night before the bachelor party in Floripa, she would not let him go.

This was like 23 years ago. He sent out this big email saying, guys, I'm really sorry, but,

you know, I forget her name is upset and we'll let me go. So I just don't feel like I can go. And I'm like, we're like, we're like, don't do it. Well, no, we were more concerned with us. We're like, dude, this isn't about you. We're all going. None of us are, none of us are casting our trip. This had nothing to do with you. This was about Brazil, surfing, Floripa. Anyways, that did not last a year.

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