Welcome to the dispatch podcast.

I'm your host Sarah Isger joined by Steve Hayes.

And this week we are talking to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raphsonberger.

You may think that name is familiar because you heard a lot about Secretary Raphsonberger

around the 2020 election, a secret phone call between the president and Secretary of State

Raphsonberger.

We'll talk about it all here on the podcast.

He also is the author of a new book, Integrity Counts.

Let's dive right in.

First, there's now of course a primary challenge to the governor of Georgia former Senator Perdue

is challenging governor camp saying that he, Perdue would not have certified the election

if he had been governor at that point.

I'm curious if you can walk us through what that would have looked like if that had transpired

in 2020.

If it had been governor Perdue, if he hadn't certified the election results, how would

that have gone down in your state?

Well, what David Perdue has just said is that he would have violated state law at all

sort of state constitution.

And what he's really trying to tell you is that he is going to throw the rule of law

out the window and he's going to govern by the rule of man.

That's very dangerous for a public to ever go down that path.

And so if the governor at that point had said no, I'm not certifying these results, what

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