And the Testing one, two three, testing one, two one two three this is radio free Mormon on the air

Broadcasting behind enemy lines tonight we have a very special episode for you.

We are going to be interviewing someone

who really needs no introduction.

He's very well known in Mormon and post-Morman

and even heretical Mormon circles. This is the man, the myth, the legend,

Rock Waterman. That's got to be the best introduction I've ever had.

Hello, RFM.

How are you doing, Rock?

Good, I'm, uh, my biggest concern is that I might use your real name so I keep I've been practicing in the mirror to make sure I refer to you as RFM. I don't know if a lot of your listeners know but you and I are old friends. We talk on the phone quite frequently and so

How long have we been talking on the phone frequently about is it four or five years now? It's got to been. You know, your episode on the the kutitah, Brigham Young's kutitah. Just back up a second just for the official title was Apostolic Kudetah.

Thank you. Thank you. I forgot it's a long title.

Kind of has a rhythm to it, but go ahead.

Yeah. As long time readers on my blog might know,

I just transcribed both episodes of that

into a blog episodes of mine, and they really, really

clarified what happened to the church after

Joseph Smith died because Joseph Smith, the church after Brigham Young took it

over became a completely different creature.

And it didn't happen immediately.

You know, what's interesting, I find interesting about Brigham Young,

he tells the truth early on in many places.

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