Radio Better Offline: Allison Morrow, Paris Martineau & Ed Ongweso Jr.

Better Offline

Cool Zone Media and iHeartPodcasts

Technology

4.6 • 688 Ratings

🗓️ 9 April 2025

⏱️ 85 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to Radio Better Offline, a tech talk radio show recorded out of iHeartRadio's studio in New York city.

Ed Zitron is joined in studio by Allison Morrow of CNN, Ed Ongweso Jr. of the Tech Bubble newsletter, and Paris Martineau of The Information to talk about the collapse of the AI bubble, the goofy “AI 2027” fan fiction that has gone viral in the tech industry, and how the tech media faces a reckoning once the bubble truly bursts.

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Allison Morrow
https://www.cnn.com/profiles/allison-morrow
https://bsky.app/profile/amorrow.bsky.social

Ed Ongweso Jr.
https://thetechbubble.substack.com/
https://bsky.app/profile/edwardongwesojr.com

Paris Martineau
https://www.theinformation.com/u/parismartineau?rc=kz8jh3
https://bsky.app/profile/paris.nyc

https://ai-2027.com/

New York Times article on AI 2027 - https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/03/technology/ai-futures-project-ai-2027.html

CNN - Apple’s AI isn’t a letdown. AI is the letdown - https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/27/tech/apple-ai-artificial-intelligence/index.html

CNN - The AI bubble may not be bursting, but tariff chaos is sure helping to deflate it https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/01/business/ai-bubble-markets-tariffs-nightcap/index.html

WSJ - How Is SoftBank Funding Its Mega Investment in OpenAI? A Lot of Debt - https://www.wsj.com/business/deals/openai-softbank-investment-debt-51b4a130

TechCrunch - OpenAI reportedly mulls buying Jony Ive and Sam Altman’s AI hardware startup - https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/07/openai-reportedly-mulls-buying-jony-ive-and-sam-altmans-ai-hardware-startup/

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0:00.0	This is an I-Heart podcast.
0:21.2	Guaranteed Human. Quarzone Media. Hi everyone. Before we get to the episode, I just wanted to lead in and say, we are up for a webby. I'll be including a link. I know it's a pain in the arse to register for something. I'm sorry. I really want to win this. Never won an award in my life.
0:22.4	It will be in the links.
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0:24.3	look up the wonderful,
0:26.4	weird little guys with Miss Molly Conger.
0:27.6	Vote for both of us.
0:30.0	I'm in the best business podcast episode one.
0:32.2	She's in the best crime podcast episode one.
0:33.5	We can win this.
0:34.8	We can defeat the others.
0:48.3	And now for the episode. Every day I am punished and killed and you love to watch.
0:50.4	Welcome to Better Offline. We're live from New York City, recorded straight to tape, of course, and I'm joined by an incredible cast of people. To my right, I have Paris Markner of the information, Hayden, Barris. What's up? What is up? Edward Anguyso of the Tech Bubble newsletter. Hello, hello. And the wonderful Alison Murrow of the CNN Nightcap newsletter. Hi. And Alison, you wrote one of my favorite bits of media criticism I've ever read recently.
1:13.2	Do you want to actually walk us through that piece?
1:15.5	Because I think I will link it in the notes.
1:17.7	Don't worry, everyone.
1:18.8	I'd be happy to.
1:19.9	I wrote a piece, I think the headline we ended up with was like Apple's AI is not the disappointment.
1:25.5	AI is the disappointment.
1:26.8	Yeah.
1:27.6	And this was inspired by credit to where it's due.
1:32.7	I was listening to Hard Fork with Kevin Roos on our,
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