Welcome along to the Final Fallon Podcast weekend review. I'm Emma Schennady. It is great to have your company as some terrific racing to look back on some big racing stories as well, including the retirement of three jockeys and one of them joins us for the first time in the show to review all the action.

Louis Jordan, welcome to the Final Fallon Podcast.

Hi Emma, good to speak to you again and looking forward to my debut performance on the podcast. I can't wait to get stuck into some, some would say some very exciting racing that we've just witnessed.

Well I have to say it was a pleasure speaking to you on Thursday on Talksport 2 about your reasons for retiring and I'd like to go back over those with you briefly in a minute, but I was so impressed with how well spoken you were,

so impressed with how open and engaging you were and I think I extended the invitation to you there and then to come on the Final Fallon Podcast on Monday and you're going to be back with me on Talksport 2 on Thursday which I'm looking forward to so hopefully this is the first of many appearances for you on the Final Fallon Podcast and with us on Talksport 2 as well.

You're not the only jockey though to retire this week, Martin Dwyer and Shane Cross also hung up their saddles but for you, you're still a young man, you're only 28 years of age. What was your reasoning for walking away from a career in the saddle?

Yeah, so obviously like I've mentioned before it was probably a long time coming and made my decision a little bit easier in this sense that I was probably weaned off that kind of heartfelt side of making the decision.

I know Martin Dwyer expressed that he was a bit saddened by coming out in the open but he did know for a long time which, which is definitely when you're a jockey and you live that lifestyle.

Instead of making kind of like a rash decision and something that can be quite blunt to some people it's nice just to slowly kind of just whine down and come to your true traditions on what you actually want in life and that's what I had in my decision making and it definitely made it a lot smoother.

Success came very quickly and very easily to you at a young age you won three of the most prestigious handicaps including the e-bore as a teenager but looking back on it did that success make things seem like this job would be a lot easier than it actually ended up being that that success almost come a little bit too quickly.

Yeah very much so I think it kind of takes your thoughts away when you're when you're so young and you get a lot of success success like that and it's your space of time.

It kind of takes your long term aspects away from how you think and you.

Not necessarily it's a bad bad way of of thinking in the sense that you plan your life more day today when you're younger and you enjoy the moment for it is.

But like what if shoes and stuff like Shane Cross has explained that that's the reason he's retiring when when you're young you don't really taken to consideration that there is going to be a time where you probably fill out and your your body hangs on to more food and it's trying to develop and and things at that and it's very easy to see past a long term goal when success is coming thick and fast it's such a young age.

There's a lot of things that jockeys are finding very frustrating at the moment and some jockeys are saying are making their life a lot more difficult and making their ability to do their job a lot more difficult the removal of saunas from race courses for example is something that is getting a lot of attention.

I wasn't aware of this until Brendan Powell Jr. said it on talks more to with me in an interview a couple of weeks ago that there are actually some race courses who are turning around to jockeys on the day of races and saying oh here's a voucher for a hotel we own or here's a voucher.

For a gymnasium that's nearby you can go and use their saunas which just seems to completely defeat the purpose and obviously the implementation of the whip rules are causing absolute chaos and and major headaches for a lot of jockeys as well was the saunas issue something that bothered you.

I don't think so much myself I was very disciplined and dedicated to staying on track all year round and and that was a strong point of mine hence why being six foot tall and being a flat jockey I was able to manage everything.

I think a lot smoother than some people do. I feel being a jockey and being on the road and up in the mornings so early there never feels like there's enough hours in the day and when you're asked to ride out at five o'clock in the morning then you think you've got to leave yourself an extra hour to get race and then you think if you have to sweat you have to leave yourself another hour so it's like you're trying to plan your day on on your weight loss regime I would always be one to get it done the night before.

In hindsight that probably is not the best way to do it because I would look at it now and think I was a lot more dehydrated for a longer period of time until I got on that horse where a sauna is kind of a quick fit when there's not enough hours in the day to get your job done and I feel like Adam Kirby managed it very well in the fact that he's a very hands on person and would work very hard in the mornings leaving himself.

The window at the races before his rides to get his weight lost done and that's the way he done it that's the way a lot of people do it and that's the way that a lot of people feel it works best for them and I do believe from a health benefit side I would rather see a jockey dehydrated for less time than more time.

So I think taking them away was not a great idea and it's so it's okay trying to come up with all these different conclusions and different ways of doing it but then like I mean I'm not being funny well when we went to the the PJ meeting about the saunas going it was like they were handing out leaflets on

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