I think for most people, you know, when we think of trauma, we think of like a bad memory,

like a flashback, a nightmare, story, etc.

And I think one of the more revolutionary ideas that you were part of putting forward was

trauma is less of a psychology and more of a biology.

And a lot of people, you know, butted up against us.

They went, no, this is, this is all happening only in your brain and it's a thought.

And you found that there was something that was actually happening in the body.

So, you know, when you talk about trauma as biology, not just psychology,

what does that mean for the person who's living with it?

How does that present?

Well, for the person that's living with it, it's very hard to separate out psychology and biology,

and I don't think that I've been able to separate it out in my mind.

One of the earliest debates in the field of psychology, what launched the field

of psychology, was really the question of, do we feel fear and then our bodies have a fear response?

Or do our bodies have a fear response? And we interpret that response and say, oh, I must be

afraid, right?

Yeah.

And to this day, one could argue it both ways.

That was a very famous debate.

What we have found doing neuroscience studies with PTSD,

with people that have PTSD, is that you can see traces of their response in their body.

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