This is exactly right.

People who didn't do what John of God wanted them to do, they usually disappeared.

John of God was once Brazil's most famous spiritual healer.

But in this limited series podcast, we uncover the darker truth behind his global empire of faith and fear.

From exactly right and Adonde Media, this is Two-Faced, John of God.

Listen on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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He's just one of these lost souls now in Malawi, whose life was made even worse because of his involvement with a place and with people who were supposed to help him.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a nonfiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

I'm also the co-host of the podcast, Buried Bones on Exactly Right. And throughout my career, research for my many audio and book projects has taken me around the world.

On Wicked Words, I sit down with the people I've met along the way, amazing writers,

journalists, filmmakers, and podcasters who have investigated and reported on notorious

true crime cases.

This is about the choices writers make, both good and bad, and it's a deep dive into the unpublished details behind their stories.

I've never interviewed someone about wildlife trafficking, but journalist Rachel Neuer's story for the economist was so compelling that I wanted to explore it.

It's about an orphanage in Africa where kids are used as

foot soldiers in an illegal animal and ivory smuggling operation. Rachel's article is called

The School for Wildlife Traffickers. Let's get started with how you found this story. I know that you've already written a book,

you know, about poaching, but tell me how you specifically got into this story.

Yeah, so I've been reporting on wildlife issues, specifically illegal wildlife trade for, oh my gosh,

15 plus years now. So I just have a lot of sources that I've cultivated over the year and built trust with.

I first heard about this particular story when I was reporting for the New York Times about the prosecution of an ivory and rhino horn kingpin in southern Africa named Yon Hwa Lin.

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