The following podcast contains explicit language.

From box.com and panically this is the Ezra Clancho.

I am, as you might have guessed, Ezra Clancho.

And this is a program where I'm going to do longish interviews with people who

I think are really interesting, really smart, really have something to say.

And the first episode I was really privileged to get to sit down with Rachel Maddo.

You probably know Rachel Maddo.

She is the host of Rachel Maddo Show on MSNBC.

She also has a kind of an amazing background.

I think that a lot of people may know she's a Rhodes scholar.

But what a lot of people I think don't know is that she was deeply involved in AIDS

activism in the Bay Area in the 1990s.

She talks in this interview at some length about that experience and also about what

activism means and how it really works on the ground.

And I think this is a side of her that people have not seen before.

I had not gotten to see it before.

And it's a really powerful, compelling story.

In addition to that, we talk about how she per first protest was an anti-skinned head rally.

We talk about comic book recommendations and how she's not actually seen the Christopher

Nolan Batman trilogy.

We talk about how she structures her MSNBC show, how she thinks about developing the information for it.

And why is it as a general rule?

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