there's nobody who we should all be waiting for to respond to what we see is wrong right now.

There's nothing about your job title that will call you to service in this moment.

Wherever you are, however you're feeling, if you know something's wrong, you should stand up any way you can.

Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Best People podcast. My guest this week is one of my favorite humans, one of my dearest friends and colleagues here. She's the best anywhere at connecting the dots between things that are happening and making sense out of them, helping us understand a little bit more about the world in which we live. I am lucky enough to call her my friend. I'm lucky enough to have been at Dick Cheney's

funeral and looked over and seen her up there much closer than I was. This is the best people,

and this is Rachel Maddo. Thank you so much for being here again.

Oh, my friend, thank you for having me. You're so nice to me. I don't know what I did to deserve it, but I'm just, I absorb it like a dry sponge being put back in the ocean. Don't make me cry. Don't make me cry first. It's a terrible place to start because what you've done here is so special. I mean, burn order is so good. And I hate

relative comparisons, but I think it hits me the hardest out of everything you've sort of created

because of how gutted I am by what we're covering in our current moment. And I just wonder what it was like to cover the Trump story,

the way you do, and be making this. And we hadn't seen it, right? So we didn't know what you were

steeped in. We didn't know the interviews you were doing. What has it been like to make this

while covering Trump? You know, when you say you don't like the relative comparisons and everything, I'm exactly the same way.

You know, there's nothing like World War II except World War II. There's nothing like, you know, Nazi Germany, but Nazi Germany.

There's no, you can't draw direct parallels, but we can also learn about types, archetypes and prototypes in some cases. And in the case of what Trump has

orchestrated against immigrants in this country and the way that he has stood up a sort of faceless,

unaccountable federal force to round people up explicitly on the basis of race. I mean,

they're defending, you know, stopping people, Kavanaugh stops, right? Stopping people on the street

purely on the basis of their race. We really do have experience with this before as a country.

And the core of it, for me, the most important thing

about this story is that once we did what we did to Japanese Americans in this country,

and once the Japanese Americans who are the heroes of this story uncovered, sort of blew up

the cover up, and got all the court cases overturned and had a

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