Race Wasn't An Issue To Him, Which Was An Issue To Me With Lorraine Toussaint | Encore
Modern Love
The New York Times
4.3 • 9K Ratings
🗓️ 10 June 2020
⏱️ 24 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Modern Love The Podcast is supported by... |
| 0:05.0 | Produced by the I-Leb, at WBUR Boston. |
| 0:20.0 | From The New York Times and WBUR Boston, this is Modern Love. |
| 0:26.0 | The New York Times |
| 0:29.0 | Stories of Love, Laws, and Redemption |
| 0:33.0 | I'm your host, Megna Chacrabardi. |
| 0:42.0 | Right now, we are watching extraordinary protests around the world against police violence and racism. |
| 0:49.0 | And once again, in the United States, as a country, we are having a conversation about what it means to be black in America. |
| 0:57.0 | So today, we wanted to return to an essay that's also part of that conversation. |
| 1:02.0 | It's by Kim McLaren, and it's called Race Wasn't An Issue To Him, which was an issue to me. |
| 1:08.0 | After the essay, we'll hear from Kim. |
| 1:11.0 | We first talked to her in 2019, and we reconnected with her on Monday to hear how she's doing right now. |
| 1:18.0 | But first, here's Lorraine Tussant, who stars in the upcoming film The Glorious, Lorraine's reading Kim's essay. |
| 1:27.0 | His name was Jerry, a nice man, late 40s, funny and smart, divorced with two grown children, the social worker who had dedicated his professional life to working with troubled kids. |
| 1:42.0 | He was also, let's be honest, the first to come around. |
| 1:48.0 | He was the first man after my own divorce to raise an eyebrow to take an interest after my ex not only moved out, but moved on. |
| 2:00.0 | Funny and smart and dedicated to troubled kids is all admirable, but in truth, I would have said yes to a drink with a four-foot gap tooth troll had one smile in my direction. |
| 2:12.0 | The self-confidence of a 40-year-old divorced mother of two is a shaggy thing. |
| 2:21.0 | So, the fact that Jerry was also white, I noted, but decided to file away for now. Why worry about it right out of the gate? |
| 2:31.0 | Yes, race had been an issue in my marriage, not the issue perhaps, but an issue nonetheless. |
| 2:39.0 | What I did not know was whether race arose as a problem because I am black and my ex is white, or because I am a person who grapples with race, and he is not. |
| 2:54.0 | That my ex does not grapple with race, he would not dispute. |
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