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I'm Caitlin Prest. And this is Race Trader. In many season, this is episode two.

Can we be friends? If you haven't listened to episode one, you should go back and start from the

beginning. So, last time Phoebe introduced herself and took us through her white upbringing.

Phoebe feels behind or late to many realizations about herself as a white person.

Many of her friends who aren't white are reluctant experts in detecting white bullshit.

In this episode, Phoebe asks them some questions. Here's Phoebe.

A lot of my friends don't particularly want to be friends with white people.

He said, there are a lot of white women in your life. Your time change, your priorities change.

You were kind of looking at your life and you were like, these are the people that are not really

like adding that much value to my life. That was it. And I wasn't befriending white women

because I didn't think that they were going to help me with my personal growth and who I wanted

to become. That was the main reason. This is my fearless writer friend, Kamala.

When people meet Kamala, they're first taken with her jet black mohawk. And then she speaks and

they're taken with how self-possessed she is. It wasn't just because I experienced them as like

you know, a resource in time suck, which I did. But it was like beyond like whatever negative

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