I'd like to think that people are having more of these conversations.

I mean, I'm having these conversations more outside of the sanctity of like private

space and close friendships that we have these conversations at work now.

This is Death, Sex, and Money.

The show from WNYC about the things we think about a lot.

I need to talk about more.

I'm Anna Seal.

Last week, we shared an episode that we released in 2020 about race and friendship.

When I think back on that episode, the image that first comes to my mind is of Antoinette,

a black woman in Dallas who described getting a phone call at home on a weekend when her

ceiling was leaking.

The call came from a white colleague who was worried about a terse text exchange between

them.

Here's how Antoinette described that call back then.

I said, hey, my ceiling leaking.

I have maintenance people coming in and out.

I'm trying to wrangle that situation and it didn't feel like she heard me.

Ultimately, I wanted to apologize for my short response to her.

I talked to Antoinette about that again when we reached back out to listeners from that

episode.

Do you hear whether anything had shifted in their friendship since?

I want to start actually.

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