I don't know what most white people in this country feel,

but I can only include what they feel from the state of their institutions.

Now, this is the evidence.

You want me to make an act of faith, risking myself, my wife, my woman, my sister, my children, on some idealism which you assure me

in America, which I have never seen.

Welcome back to another episode of Black History for White People, a podcast where we educate,

resource, and challenge white people about black history.

I'm Brad, and on today's show are my co-host Katina and Garan.

Today's episode is race and evangelicalism.

We are joined by Adam Thomason.

He has spoken in over 15 countries.

He has a doctoral of education, a master's in biblical studies, a BFA from

Savannah College of Arts and Design. He's got a new book, Permission to Be Black, My Journey

with Jay Z and Jesus, that comes out in February of next year. He's the author of Red Revolution,

a study on race relations and what Jesus would say. And in this conversation, we walk through

his story and we cover a bunch of things within the realm of colonialism and Christianity. We hope

you enjoy the conversation. Before we jump into the interview, I wanted to take just a minute

to define three terms that you'll be hearing so that everyone is up to speed and on the same page.

The three terms are decolonization, diaspora, and Yeshua.

Decolonization is the idea of winding back colonialism.

That could mean setting countries free from the empire that holds power over them, but colonialism in that sense pretty much

ended back in the 60s, with a few notable exceptions like Puerto Rico. But decolonization goes beyond

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