R5 Philosopher Queens | Plato's Republic, book 5 w/ Mary Townsend
Ancient Greece Declassified
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🗓️ 18 October 2021
⏱️ 54 minutes
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Summary
The most controversial part of Plato's Republic is its fifth book, wherein Socrates argues for the political equality of men and women, the abolition of the nuclear family, a strange eugenics program, and the idea that philosophers kings and philosopher queens should be put in charge of political affairs.
With us to discuss book 5 is Mary Townsend, assistant professor of philosophy at Saint John's University in Queens and author of the book The Woman Question in Plato's Republic.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, thanks for tuning in to ancient Greece, Declassified. |
| 0:13.7 | Episode R5, Philosopher Queens. |
| 0:21.2 | The Republic is a dialogue whose ostensible purpose is to define justice. |
| 0:26.9 | As you'll remember from last time, that is accomplished in book four, out of 10 books. |
| 0:32.5 | So at this point, you might be wondering, what is Plato going to do with the remaining |
| 0:36.1 | 60% of the work? Well, remember how |
| 0:39.6 | at the very beginning of the series we discussed the onion-like structure of the Republic? How the |
| 0:45.1 | entire book resembles an onion chopped through the middle. It's got this concentric ring structure |
| 0:50.3 | where the beginning and end mirror each other. The second part from the beginning is echoed in the |
| 0:54.5 | penultimate section, third from the beginning corresponds to third from the end, etc. Well, after having |
| 1:00.5 | gradually constructed the ideal polis and defined justice, the logical next step for Socrates to bring |
| 1:06.7 | out this symmetrical structure of the dialogue would be to methodically deconstruct the ideal state |
| 1:12.4 | and to define injustice. And that is what Socrates intends to do at the beginning of book five. |
| 1:19.2 | He's about to explain how this ideal polis, if it ever were to be established, would inevitably |
| 1:24.7 | degenerate over time and manifest various kinds of injustice, |
| 1:29.6 | both at the political level and in the souls of its citizens. |
| 1:33.8 | But before he can do that, his companions interrupt him and spark a few digressions, |
| 1:38.8 | and so we get a few more layers at the very center of this onion. |
| 1:43.3 | It's not till book eight that we finally get the |
| 1:45.7 | mirror image of what we've had so far, that is, the unraveling of the city and the analysis |
| 1:50.5 | of injustice. If you were to cut out the middle layers and just have books one to four and then |
| 1:56.8 | eight to ten, that could still stand on its own as a philosophical work. |
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