Summary
The former Scottish Labour leader candidly surveys the political landscape from the sidelines. Kezia Dugdale discusses Labour leaders past and present, and the challenge of moving politics in Scotland past the constitutional debate. She gives her verdict on controversial recent adverts from Labour, and the "lads, lads, lads" culture that exists. The former politician also has a revealing assessment of so-called progress at Holyrood, compared to Westminster, and shares exclusive information about a review project to mark the 25th anniversary of the Scottish Parliament.
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds |
| 0:02.4 | You're listening to BBC Scotland |
| 0:10.2 | Hi, you're listening to Podlitical BBC Scotland's podcast |
| 0:16.2 | that gives you an inside look at the biggest stories coming out of Holyroods and Westminster. It's seven |
| 0:22.1 | minutes past two on Thursday the first of June. And this is Lucy White. I'm a journalist based |
| 0:28.6 | in Glasgow. And in terms of the normal podlitical team, it's just me today. We're having a bit of |
| 0:36.0 | a special and a different episode of the podcast this week. |
| 0:40.6 | I'm going to bring in the person I'm going to be chatting to. It's former Scottish Labour leader |
| 0:44.8 | and the current director of the John Smith Centre, Keziah. Dougdale. Hello, Keziah. |
| 0:49.1 | Hello. Where are you today? Where are you sitting in one of our glamorous BBC studios somewhere? |
| 0:53.7 | It's as glamorous |
| 0:54.3 | that has always been, which is to say nothing has changed in maybe the 15, 20 years I've |
| 0:59.7 | been working around Scottish politics now, but I'm in the ton in Edinburgh. Thank you so much |
| 1:03.7 | for joining me. We have got you in today to chat to you because back in 2019 when I was on |
| 1:09.8 | maternity leave, the rest of the team had you on the podcast then. |
| 1:14.3 | And I wasn't there. I didn't get a chance to be part of it. So this is my chance to solely be the person that speaks to you without Phil or without neck or Linsday or Radge Deep there. |
| 1:24.7 | I get to ask all my own questions. So to take you back to that |
| 1:28.3 | time then, which was June 2019, you were just about to stop being an MSP. And you said on that |
| 1:36.5 | podcast that you might find it hard to adjust to being a normal person. Have you found it, have you found |
| 1:42.9 | it hard to adjust to being a normal person? |
| 1:45.5 | I was really worried that you'd have gone back and listened to that and run through all the |
| 1:49.0 | different predictions that I'd maybe made in that conversation. That might still be to come. |
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