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There's just a wrong conversation. It's a distraction from what we actually need to be concentrating on,

which are other techniques

to make the climate safe for people and safe for future generations.

And that's going to go through directly cooling the planet, but also through drawing down

emissions that are already in the atmosphere now, something that we don't talk too much

about, but it is possible.

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

With our politics going increasingly crazy and haywire in this moment,

it's easy to lose track of some of the broader

structural challenges humanity faces, challenges like climate change. We are continuing to emit a lot of

carbon into the air. It doesn't look like we're going to have a big global agreement to cut down

on carbon emissions anytime soon. And even if we did, that would come

at the cost of much needed economic development for some of poorer nations in the world.

So what are we to do? To discuss this question I invited back, Kiko Toro, a good friend,

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