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Welcome back everybody, Michael Steel here. Great conversation with the author of the new

book Corruptible, Who gets power and how it changes us. None other than Brian Kloss. You

can follow him on Twitter at BrianKloss. That's K-L-A-A-S. Yes, power hungry people are

drawn to power. And they're better at getting it and they're better at holding onto it.

Good people who go into power get corrupted. So that's a pretty bleak picture. But the

really important thing that we often don't talk about is that the political culture, the

system around people matters a lot. So there's a story I tell a study that I point to early

on in the book that looks at a study where they asked people to roll a dice 42 times and

they say, we'll give you more money if you roll sixes. But you saw for port. You tell

us what you got. So you can lie on the report. And when they did the study in India where

the civil service, the bureaucracy is notoriously corrupt. All the people who lied, including

one guy who wrote that he got 42 sixes in a row, they all, hey, it's not the right

time. Yeah, you might as well try. So but in India where they've got a corrupt civil

service, the people who lied on the dice rolls to get more money, they all wanted to become

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