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Hey, Michael Steel Podcast listeners. Michael Steel here with another quick take from the

Michael Steel Podcast. Check out what's going on right now.

We're talking with Secretary of State Brad Raffin Spager from the great state of Georgia.

His new book is Out Integrity Counseling, which he tells the story of his moments in the

sun with President Trump. Someone's like, you know, the heat right up close and personal.

And Brad is weathered that pretty well over the last year or so.

So, Mr. Secretary, when you're looking at this, how this narrative is currently unfolding,

there are legal matters that are now being prosecuted in your state. I think another grand

jury has been impeanneled or is about to be impeanneled regarding actions of the president.

I'm not asking you to comment on any of that because I know you can't. But you before we

went to break you, you said something I thought was important for people to really latch

on to. And it really kind of goes to what these other proceedings are trying to get to.

We talked about a little bit already, truth. But you talk about people having their eyes

open and realizing that they've been lied to. It's not even so much about here is the

truth. But it's also the recognition that you've been lied to. And that in some respects,

and no one likes to be a patsy. No one wants to be the guy or the gal who fell for the lie.

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