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Welcome back everybody to the Michael Steele Podcast. I'm really enjoying and I hope

you are as well. My conversation with Dr. Ibram Kendi and Mr. Joel Christian Gill, the

authors of the new book, Stamped from the Beginning. It is a wonderful treatment of race and

racism in this modern era sort of getting us to reflect through art and narrative on the

various story lines that exist out there in the world. I'm just really I'm just really

want to pick up on this idea of the extraordinary Negro because it is it is something in my

many years of experience that I've had to work around and deal with as I know both of you've

had to do both professionally and personally. How does that how does that idea of black people,

especially black men still persist in these times when you have astronauts, physicists, mathematicians,

yes people in the arts, yes people in sports, but this full ray of talented African Americans who

have overcome an enormous number of obstacles, the Supreme Court recent decision on affirmative action

notwithstanding to achieve and to realize the American dream right in the face of insurmounting

and at times very difficult institutional biases. How is this still this view of black people still

relevant? I mean, I sit there and I listen to some of these white parents talk about young black kids.

I'm like, have you talked to your kids? Who do you think they're hanging out with at school? Who's music?

Do you think they're listening to? Who's clothing? You think they're imitating style, language.

Who's history? You think they're learning? I don't understand. Help me sort of cross that

Rubicon and understanding why we're still considered extraordinary and we do very ordinary things.

Well, I think it's it is it is much more complex right now because I think on the one hand as you

stated, there are all these African Americans who are in very sort of prominent positions demonstrating

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