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Welcome back everybody. We're talking to none other than George Ticay.

Well it's fascinating because, you know,

from the story of your, you know,

kitchen table conversations with that

about democracy despite the personal family history and the

tragedy around internment. That love of country and that sense of America's promise is still imminent and so important to the to the

extent that you found ways to utilize it usually utilize that in grade school politics and and and getting

involved publicly so I guess in one sense I could say or you confirm that your faith in this democratic system while at times challenged remain strong and is that can you say that in the face of

January 6th from your perspective because I think you would bring a unique appreciation of exactly what

January 6th says and what it means if we don't pay attention.

Throughout American history we have been challenged.

Our democracy has been challenged and as a child I really felt, I mean I didn't understand it, but I, the scary barbed wire fence and the

sentry towers that the machine guns pointed at us, some of the riots that we had in camp and some at night some some of the

troublemakers people that were angry would be their units would be raided and dragged out and their wives or sisters or

mothers would be screaming and shouting.

You know, so I have these very real memories

from of incarceration and the horror of it.

And I remember one assembly that I went to with my father, which turned into a riot, and my father

taking me by my hand and running like bats out of hell back to our barrack.

So I've seen the horrors of it and January 6th was something like that in a different shape and form.

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