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Welcome back everybody to the Michael Steele Podcast, I'm Michael Steele and having

great conversation. A lot of fun with my brother here, many has some colleague and friend

at MSNBC but right now we're focusing on his best-selling book, When Every Argument,

the Art of Debating, Persuading and Public Speaking. Yeah, you never wing it and you talk

about this in the book and I think it's a good jump off part of pointing this conversation.

The difference between a conversation and a debate because when you're on TV doing

your thing on the many Hassan Show, I'm on TV doing my thing as a talking head. You're

at once engaged in a conversation but then you also, you know, depending on who you're

talking with, could sort of slide into a little bit of a debate. How do you see that

and talk to me about some of the differences between those two styles?

Not just those two, there's multiple styles, Michael. I mean, what I say in the book and

what I say in every interview that I do about the book is context matters. Everything

comes back to context. People say, well, hold on, you know, the arguments that you use

to convince your crazy uncle at the Thanksgiving table are not the same arguments you use to

win over a crowd in a university auditorium or to win over a TV audience in prime time on

cable. Yes. Exactly my point. You've got to be flexible. You've got to adapt. You know,

yes, Arrafat, the former Palestinian leader. A lot of Israelis used to slam him with

this line, Michael, that he speaks in two towns. He says in Arabic something and then he

says something different in English. Now, whether that's true or not, an argument for

another day, but the point being is like, I say in the book, there's nothing wrong with

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