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Welcome back everybody to Michael Steel Podcast. We are having a great conversation with Professor

Carol Anderson, the Charles Howard Chandler Professor of African American Studies at

Emory University and the author of three important books and we're talking about each of them.

White Rage, the unspoken truth of our nation's divide. Let me see what, let me get, yeah, one

person, one vote, no vote, one person no vote, how voter suppression is destroying our democracy.

And now we're going to turn our attention to her latest book called The Second, Race and Guns

in a Fadily Unequal America. It's a little bit of a sidebar, but I think it kind of goes to the

core of what you're talking about in The Second, about the connection between race and guns in this

country. Why did the, how did we get to the point that this became something that was so essential

to the south but not essential to the north. This sort of dividing line between free states

and slave states, north and south, I get at 1619 the whole process and how that sort of evolves.

But when you get to the late 1700s and the sort of formation of government and the founding

of this, of this republic, is it because slavery had become such an economic engine for the south

to the point that the humanity of the individuals didn't, didn't matter anymore or I'm just,

so people can kind of understand how something so hard was able to really not just stain but

indelibly stain the United States. And so you had this fusion of tapping in to religion,

to justify the unjustifiable, to make slavery appear to be God ordained because these were

heavings because these were savages because of the curse of ham that these, this is their place,

and so once you have it God ordained and then you have the economics rolling out of this,

by the time we got to the Civil War, slavery accounted for about 80% of the nation's GNP.

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