Hey note to self listeners, it's Manu Shear.

The big debate over privacy versus our national security has been reignited because of those

horrific attacks in Paris. I went on WNYC's Brian Laira Show to talk to Brian about encryption

and counterterrorism and why this conversation is so important and needs to be had right now.

We talked about all this in just a little over six minutes. Our regularly scheduled episode

will be coming tomorrow until then some important information about technology in our lives today.

Let's talk more about that issue of encryption. When Commissioner Bratton was on face the

nation yesterday, he didn't just talk about protecting the city with conventional law enforcement

techniques. He raised this issue that's actually a challenge to mobile phone makers like Apple and

others and a challenge to anti-surveillance activists. He has 40 seconds of Bratton on CBS face the

nation. These apps, these devices that now allow these terrorists to operate effectively

without fear of penetration by intelligent services. This is the first example of this. I'll be

very interested for our purposes to see what type of phone devices were they carrying,

what type of apps might have been on those devices. We in many respects have gone blind as a result

of the commercialization and the selling of these devices that cannot be accessed either by the

manufacturer or more importantly by us in law enforcement, even equipped with the search

wants and judicial authority. This is something that is going to need to be debated very quickly

because we cannot continue operating where we are blind, which is our offense.

Commissioner Bratton on face the nation yesterday. And let's try to understand more of what he's

talking about. The News Zama Rody, host of WNYC's Note to Self podcast, which deals with the role

of technology in our lives is here to explain it further. Hi, my name is Bratton.

Bratton said Paris seems to be the first example of something involving certain apps. Do you

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