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So Andrew, okay, yeah, so Andrew Claven from the Daily Wire. So I would, you know,

he would be in another category altogether separate from, um, from like Jack Hibbs,

for instance, with Calvary Chapel, right? So like, if you think of it like this,

right, here's Joel, you know, post-millennial, theonomic, patriarchal, reformed particular Baptist.

All right.

And then here's the cross-politic guys that I was talking about earlier.

All right.

We've got some differences.

They're more Presbyterian and Westminster view of the covenants and Pato Baptist and Pato Communionist.

All right.

And then, like, I'd say, like, we're about, let's say we're five feet apart.

Well, Jack Hibbs is like 50, 50 feet apart.

And then, and then if you go five more miles and fall off of a cliff down to the very bottom and get shattered on the rocks, there's Andrew Claven.

And what I mean by that is Andrew Clavin, who claims to be a messianic Jew, a reformed Jew, who is now Christian, believes that Jesus is the

Messiah. I don't believe. Andrew Clavon, I've read some of his stuff on scripture. It's very similar to

Jordan Peterson. He just allegorizes everything. Everything in scripture is a metaphor. He just doesn't

take God at his word. And an example, that's kind of his hermeneutic. As an example in his life, you have Spencer

Clavin, Andrew's son. And Spencer Clavin is openly gay. And Andrew Clavin

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