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And what are common signs that your pastors or elders lack courage to lead and equip their

flock, stand for truth, and love God, and defy tyrants? A follow-up question would be,

if they lack courage, when should you consider leaving the church and finding another one?

I think what 80 talked about was probably the closest to that, the spirit of that question.

Yeah, no, I think, so this is a tough question because I don't want to, like, cause any

trouble at your churches, right?

But the thing is, like, when your pastor's policies or opinions on controversial, everyday

issues are identical to MSNBC, except they sprinkle a little Jesus on top, that's a big

sign, you know what I mean?

That's a huge sign.

And when they don't show a willingness or even an ability to take a little time

to think it through, you know, like they just jump on it, that's a big sign. And I think that

you shouldn't just, at that point, you don't just leave, right? And I think most of people in this

audience know that, right? Have the conversation with the pastor, try to talk to him. And I think

that those conversations, sometimes they go really poorly, sometimes they go really well.

But I think it's in those conversations when you realize his willingness to sort of stand up to

some of this stuff. It's in the kind of back and forth, the questions, hearing them out, where you find

that kind of thing.

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