Welcome to Doctrine and Devotion. It's a podcast that explores Christian faith and practice

from a reformed Baptist perspective. My name is Joe Thorne. I'm the lead pastor of Redeemer

Fellowship in St. Charles, Illinois. And I'm Jim Fowler, executive pastor at Redeemer

Fellowship. And we're back now. We're back. We're back in the saddle again on the road

again. It's like Willie Nelson said. There you go. Here we is. Yeah. So it feels good.

Yeah, we needed that break. Oh, you know, we said we'd take a week. We took two. We took

two. You know why? Because we needed it. Because we needed it. And we can. Yeah.

We'll take it. It's our podcast. Yeah. That's right. No, but no, we're telling us. Nope.

Except Jesus. You know why? He is risen indeed. Only people that are all access members will

get that reference. Oh, how you doing, man? I am doing great. How about yourself? Good.

So I heard the grapevine that your large company gave your people a little break, a little

break over the holidays. Yeah, give them a bit of a break. That's cool. That's really,

really some rest relaxation and spend time with family. Yep. I always, I just take note

when I, when I see that you're doing that because it seems like a lot of companies, especially

a company like yours that's got a lot happening and timing is critical and things have got

to get done. You guys are not afraid to tell your employees like, no, this is a, this

is time off for you. And it's not just like the ones that everybody would recognize. It's

other ones. You guys just like, no, we want you guys to have some time with your family.

And I appreciate that. I think that's really cool. Yeah. People seem to enjoy it. I bet

they do. Yeah. I bet they do. I mean, you're still working. Yeah. It's my company.

You're still, you're going to go in today. You know, it is what it is. No, no, I'm going

to do it from home, my home office. Oh, okay. That's good. That's good. It is like super

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