Welcome to Call Your Girlfriend. A podcast for long distance festies everywhere. She's

Anne Friedman. She is Amina Tussaud. She is feeling tired today. She is falling apart

is what I was just saying. Her life isn't shambles. She is day one menstrual and her

sewer is not working so she can't flush the toilet. That's how she's doing today. I'm

so sorry baby. That's awful. It's fine. Body issues really like close to the surface

today. Today is the kind of day that I realized that I used the word tired casually all

the time because today I actually feel very tired and there's like no other word fits.

You know? Tired is one of those words like love where it is totally contextual the meaning.

I hear you. Like there is tired tired bone tired. There is like annoyed tired. There

is kind of bored tired. There's a million different experiences. I feel really grateful

that there are always people that you can look up to when you feel like your tank is empty.

You know? Tank refillers. My favorite people. Yes. And so today on the podcast I talked to

Glen and Doyle about her new book Untamed and yeah like a real tank filler.

I have to tell you I became acquainted with Glen and's work when I went to like a live Oprah

super soul sessions. Ostensibly for kind of like work research purposes and when she came on stage I

will confess to you that I really kind of judged her based on her presentation. Oh God like what is

this chipper Christian mainstreamy woman gonna tell me about the world that is gonna feel revelatory

and and I do feel like by the end of her whatever it was 10 minutes on stage I was a full convert.

I was like I actually do really want to hear what this woman has to say about the world and her

place in it. Ah I love a conversion story so thank you for that. Love a story about my judgmental

nature being shut down by reality I love that narrative. I listen I love that narrative because

it's so easy to have really strong feelings about people that you think are different from you or

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