When you just like to discredit things that people deserve credit for that you can't possibly be expected to defend that

talk about the game Sam, so here's about what people think about us, like the ball, like the bull season, all the things that go with it.

Welcome in to the PFF NFL podcast, Steve Pell is all about here with Sam Modson. We've got the big show here today on a Thursday talking all things NFL.

The wrestler? Yeah, he's going to be here. Oh, we should get him on. Do we get the big show on here? Was he on Radio Road this year? No, he was a couple years ago. Yeah, yeah.

Wasn't him and Shaq on Radio Road? At one point. Yeah, there was the big show Shaq. Somebody else massive was wandering around. Like I was like the fourth biggest person on Radio Road back in Miami. Yeah, at best. Yeah. We should we should try to talk to the big show. I talked to the show. Would you guys tune in to a show with the big show? We've got the table for it. We could park him at the end there in the whole perspective thing would work perfectly. Then we'd be like to see. Yeah, I'd be like the same size as the big show. What if that ends up be in one of our charities? I take a choke slam from the big show through the table. I mean, I I donate for that. All right, perfect.

Let's pivot to that. We get the big show to choke slam me through a table. Then I'll win our little charity drive, which right now is up in our pinned tweets at PFF underscore Stephen on that PFF underscore Sam. What are we talking about today? Sam? All sorts of NFL stuff. We talked Tyree kill for almost an hour yesterday. Yeah. So we're going to get some of the stuff we didn't get to yesterday. If you're an eagle eyed viewer or listener or whatever, you'll notice that the title from yesterday's bottom didn't get to all that stuff. So we'll hit some of that in today's show as well as a couple of other things.

Quite back value. The Rams effect. Ramsplaining what's going on and the kind of QB musical chairs that's happening. I will say I thought yesterday's discussion was great. It didn't feel like we talked about Tyree for an hour, but we're very defensive. How long that show was? Well, people were like, oh, you only talked about one thing. No, we talked to philosophy and team building and how the chiefs got to this point and what the dolphins are going to do coming out of it. And all it was a lot going into yesterday's show. Yeah. And we, you know, we had a hard out, you know,

it was only an hour long show. Yeah. And, you know, that's, that's tough. It's tough to contain us for an hour. Sure. Because we do stuff like this. Yeah, we talked. I mean, look, I think really what we're getting to is, is your, your sensitive about it because you enforce the hard out. It's your fault. I show was only an hour long. So you don't like, you don't like anybody mentioning it. I contained us yesterday. And it was all my fault. All right. Before we get into the fun. One last thing. I realized yesterday after, you know, wearing the, the

paper boy hat, not a fedora. I actually, no, it's not a fedora. I actually have one of these. Like, the boy years ago was just sitting in a shelf at home. So I'm going to wear this one. This is great. It looks weird if I wear it forwards. Let me see. You're like the, uh, the Ken Griffey, Jr. Of, uh, newspaper boy hats. There's something not right about that. I can't. It's a little wrinkled. I think that's why maybe. Maybe that's it. But anyway, if I wear backwards, it's taken iron to it. It'd be fine. We're like, uh, Bruce Ariens. Oh, you're like the kid, Ken Griffey, the kid. Yeah. Change the game in the early 90s.

Backwards hat. Yeah. The backward hat guy. You're rich. My high school coach wouldn't have it. Not back, not backwards hat guy. But Ken Griffey, like Colin Cower made it cool. Yeah, like Colin. Yeah. Colin must have hated Ken Griffey, Jr. Okay. Cincinnati legend, by the way. Anyway, the PFF NFL podcast is sponsored by Western Southern Financial Group. While you focus on your roster moves, Western Southern helps advance your money moves. Behind your first home, plan to start a family, wondering how to make your money grow. Well, Western and Southern's playbook of life insurance investment and retirement solutions helps you rest assured on game day.

Team up to understand needs and address goals with a game plan built just for you. Get started at Western Southern dot com slash PFF. All right. So yesterday, generally on Wednesdays, it's our, uh, mail back episode, you know, the our fans are listeners fuel that show. We didn't get to everything yesterday. So we'll get to some of that today. Mm-hmm. Man, that counted as baseball talk. Yeah, it's just a reference to baseball player. Yeah, with a baseball cap. Right. And I tied it to Colin Cower.

That's how it's baseball talk. I guess that applies. Yeah. All right. We want to get into the QB value piece here. Sure. Um, so I was on the bosses podcast this week. Chris Collinsworth, the Chris Collinsworth podcast. And at one point we were talking about Chris was making the point that, um, I don't think that he doesn't think we're anywhere near right now. The, the actual true value of quarterback. So we're all these deals that are coming through the Josh Allen contract. The, um, Patrick

Holmes contract, the reupping of Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, um, all these deals coming through. And be very quickly that Holmes deal is going to look like a steel, right? Obviously it's 10 years long. So it's going to happen. But. And when you listen to, uh, Eric and the data science guys. When they actually sort of map how important quarterbacks are in terms of war, wins above replacement and those kinds of things to generating, uh,

wins and how much that should count for your salary cap. It's way higher than the current sort of ceiling of where we think quarterbacks should get paid, right? The percentage of your salary cap that you would dedicate to a quarterback. So we had one email through from somebody called Irish Roach, who was kind of asking like how many quarterbacks and how quickly you're going to surpass those Josh Allen Patrick Holmes deals. But I think generally there's this interesting art discussion about, you know, is there an edge to be had by doing essentially

what the Rams have done and say, if we find a quarterback that can play at an elite kind of level, it's worth effectively any price right now because the data says that that level of play is worth way more than what the league is currently paying it. So we can actually go out of our way and just throw anything at the quarterback, knowing that it's still worth it.

Yeah, to a point, I think the, the problem with that is I don't think the Rams necessarily did that. They didn't mortgage the entire future. Do you know what they're, I mean, they kind of started giving the kind of reoff the re negotiation that they've just done with it. Well, the other part too is probably identifying that quarterback. Now obviously with all the musical chairs this off season, Russell Wilson into Sean Watson and, um, the Aaron Rogers rumors and all that stuff. I think we, there are probably eight or 10 quarterbacks that are,

that are worth that. Yeah, I mean, look, I think the quarter, the quarterback is the biggest driver of offensive production. We all know that both past game and run game, to be honest, but the, the past catchers do matter in that equation too. But yeah, you, the goal is to get your first piece, which is the quarterback and, and then try to get everything you can around him to elevate him, like pretend you're trying to get to 100% great offense.

What's the quarterback 50 60% of that? And then the, the rest of it is, you know, the offense of lines just like 10% as long as it's above average, it starts to be negative if it's, you know, horrible. And then the playmakers bridge the rest of the gap. I mean, that's where.

That's why quarterback stats can fluctuate year to year. It's less about their play and more about their playmakers around them, but they are definitely the biggest driver of production.

And I think it's why like moves like Denver made moves like the Browns have made, you know, if you can separate the person from the player, that move makes sense because

it like nothing else is going to matter as much as that move, right, finding a quarterback that's capable of that elite level play when the one that you have currently is not. And obviously the Browns and the Broncos were in different situations in terms of what they already had.

Baker may feel versus drew lock. But the point being, if you can find a quarterback that will take you to that elite level at 90 plus PFF grade, that's worth so much more than anything else you could do in an entire offseason.

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